She wasn't kicking Rio or being abusive anyway or spinning an excessive amount of times. There are bad apples, people who will lie and cheat and be abusive.But there are a lot who won't. He is a little better than her since he is ridden daily and is in shape. Legislation continues protections from slaughter for another year. Yes! Although, we do give our 4 year old pleasure horse both as a maintenance and prevention. Defining abuse in horse training isn't as easy as it might seem. I am glad you brought this up. If throwing your leg forward is such a good shock absorber then how come jumper riders don't do it? Mark Spence is the Senior Vice President of Living Waters and the Dean of the online School of Biblical Evangelism, with over 19,000 students enrolled since its inception.A popular speaker at conferences and universities, he also cohosts the television program Way of the Master, engaging skeptics and equipping Christians in evangelism and apologetics. Most breed associations ignore it too. Is is me or do people kind of look at mares as baby carriers? I would also think its fun to try cutting and working cow stuff. It's not others faults if your horse came back screwed up and freaked out. Dr. Grant Miller, DVM says âwe have established that repetitive trauma on the joint from the athletic performance can cause ⦠So my sister was practicing on her reiner, Rio, and a spin police yelled at her for spinning too fast. If my reining horse so much as sees the bottom of my boots she stops. There are terrible trainers out there that will completely ruin a horse. Assholes and egotists, the lot of them!! I'm sorry that you've seen so much poor reining examples on YouTube - again, not quite a clear picture of reality. This common bit is sometimes erroneously called a snaffle bit because it has a jointed mouthpiece. Combine competition, money prizes and horses and you will see compromises being made. They have no place in reining (especially with the backups involved), pleasure, trail, jumping, gaited breeds, etc. WASHINGTON (December 21, 2020) The American Wild Horse Campaign (AWHC) expressed disappointment today over the just-released Fiscal Year 2021 appropriations omnibus, which failed to include an important, bipartisan wild horse protection amendment passed by the House of Representatives this summer. Swatting a horse that presents his rump to kick is clearly not abuse, while administering a 90-second "horsewhipping" undeniably is. This is so true! How crude oil is refined into petroleum products. It's kinda like the seat belt in a car, but you could also ride saddle less and stop. lol it really was funny. I'm still to chicken to lope without a saddle yet. 1 talking about this. reinerluver, THANK YOU! Also- judges only seem to care about the length of a sliding stop now, not the quality. Reining is also considered to be a lot like figure skating. The training actually begins from a young age, when a horse is taught basic handling skills like being groomed and led. Controversial Dressage Training Method Under FEI Investigation. I'm know there are some that do cheat and use drugs, but I've never seen syringes or evidence of this anywhere. Ugh. First, THANK YOU Serenity Now and Heather AQHAI am backing up Serenity's comment on bits. I switch him back and forth from the bit to the bosal in Western riding. Maybe showing pleasure and horsemanship on a smaller scale or get out of it completely. Little drug fairies must have brought them in the night just to give the reining people a bad name. Soundness and training.........the only acceptable way to show a horse! But that's for reining and similar disciplines; not pleasure and English events. Being one with your horse. I work with a good one. I don't want reining to get a bad name (I don't think that was your intention, but it just seemed to get a bad name from this post), so I am clearing stuff up and posting this comment. The American Wild Horse Campaign just announced that its own fertility control program for wild horses in Nevadaâs Virginia Range reached an unprecedented milestone, surpassing 3,000 treatments administered to mares in under two years, making it the largest free-roaming horse fertility control program in the world, according to the Science and Conservation Center. Do you believe everything you see on T.V.??? That stuff falling from the sky itsn't rain, it's dexamethosone condensing and forming drug clouds over the NRHA. I'm very thankful that I've worked with these people, talked to them, stood at gates and cried with them just because we saw a really great run. Al het werk gebeurt in de lope (langzame galop) en galop. This blog is copyrighted and cannot be reproduced without permission. Instead of specifying funds for fertility control, the final bill adds $14.2 million to the BLMâs unsustainable roundup program. They stand up in their stirrups don't they? There is absolutely NO reason for the leg forward stuff except sloppy riding. A jumper's impact is from below, not from the front. In National Reining Horse Association (NRHA) Competition, contestants are required to run a pre-selected, approved pattern, included in the NRHA Handbook. I've seen a lot of great humanity in riders - the horse brings it out in them.I've seen some bad, but it is outweighed by the good. Go to an actual show.Reining horses are supposed to be willfully guided. Is that legal?Hey look! Color is dark gray, black and blue. AWHC vowed to continue its work in Congress to address the BLMâs failure to utilize humane fertility control and fight the BLMâs plan to roundup and remove as many as 90,000 wild horses and burros from public lands over the next five years at a cost of nearly a billion dollars. The reigning problem in reining is the use of shit bits and blocked tails. A broke reiner would stop just as hard if you were bridleless and threw your legs forward vs cueing with the reins.2) Injecting hocks with drugs like Adequan (hyaluronic acid) isn't illegal or "bad." Being sort of new to the horse world I bought a horse the used to do reining and brought her to a trainer to learn all the cues. Reining wordt vaak vergeleken met de westernvorm van dressuurrijden aangezien het paard goed moet reageren en in overeenstemming moet zijn met zijn ruiter. So why would you believe everything on youtube?? But as far as "big time" competitions, well.....they will not get my money simply because to actually compete in those events, your horse HAS to be done and bridled by 6 yo....nope, not gonna' do it. My sister does. I'm sorry I can't comment on what a "shit bit" is since the type of bit is regulated in a show environment and that's all I trained with. You would start them out in a smooth snaffle. My horse is really rough. I don't get the point.A large part of what is enjoyable, to my mind, about riding dressage or the like is the partnership with the horse, those times when everything just clicks and you feel like you just have to think and it'll happen. reining synonyms, reining pronunciation, reining translation, English dictionary definition of reining. Reining has gotten so out of hand, with techniques that are becoming harsher. But anyway, yes reining is VERY hard on the joints. I need to start somewhere to transition from a snaffle to a curb/shanked bit. Basic training: The standard use of the hackamore, seen today in the reining world's hackamore classes for young horses, is as a transition device from the initial snaffle-bit training of the just-broke horse to the extreme polish and responsiveness required for a finished "bridle horse" in a curb bit. All text belongs to T Jean Maus and cannot be reproduced or copied without permission. They do NOT cover up pain or anything like that. Reining is a judged event designed to show the athletic ability of a ranch type horse within the confines of a show arena. Many people also disagree about its severity. Sure, it would look horrendous in an eq or pleasure class, but it has its purpose in reining. Often young horses to get used to a bit in their mouth & giving laterally to pressure. How can you get that if the horse is doped up and cranked down and utterly miserable?Blech. I really need to put him on something for his joints. One of them I got when she was 7 and now has mild arthritis when ridden alot, like when she was at a western pleasure trainer for 6 months with no turnout and daily hard work outs she was always stiff and sour. I'm talking about lasix, narcotics, and heavy doses of NSAIDS.>>3) Nerved tails are indicatives of sloppy/cheating/harsh training, no matter the discipline. Reining originated from the moves that cattle horses adopt when on the job. Since it has short shanks, it appears to be a mild bit, but the jointed mouth adds to the severity. Also, peoples definition of abuse varies (some people think that using a leverage bit is abuse). It is done a lot in multiple types of events. FY21 Spending Deal Misses Mark in Reining in Cruel & Costly Wild Horse RoundupsÂ. Hopefully it will help encourage other people to put up sites too. On the positive side, according to AWHC, the bill does continue long-standing anti-slaughter provisions for another fiscal year. Anybody who says there is is someone who nows nothing about really training horses. I agree with reinerluver, just because you saw a youtube video doesn't mean that EVERYONE does it! The zipper pulls have a bucking horse on them (see pic). The National Reining Horse Association is a non-profit Organization dedicated to the promotion of the Reining Horse. Reining is een competitie in het westernrijden waarbij de ruiters hun paarden door een precies patroon van cirkels, spins en stops moet leiden. You would guide your horse with only your legs and signals. I know they're still popular in the AQHA HUS world, but to me, they're neither fish nor fowl.What about a Tom Thumb type bit? I made several calls to trainers in NC, where some of the "best" of the industry are. Since it has shanks and uses leverage, it is a curb bit. And jumpers do do a similar thing. I ride my horse in a regular no pinch D-ring Snaffle in all facets of riding. By pointing out how shitty it is to block tails, jerk reins and how absolutely crappy their riding skills are. I want to clear up a few things though. Reining is supposed to be a dance between horse and rider. I think they are starting to get 'spin police' which if they see abusive actions you are suspended or something similar. A lot of these guys also forget about their calves and just spur, spur, and spur some more. And really need some horsemanship lessons. Cruel reining trainers are killing horses while in training. Just a couple of random points from me here...1) The leg way out in front thing is both a cue to stop and a way to absorb the impact of being pitched forward. If we could get folks to boycott these competitions.....then maybe these organizations will sit up and take notice that the crowds are tired of nasty bits, drugged and bloody horses! You have halter horses that are so sickle hocked that they are crippled at a young age and donât get me started on the peanut rolling, nerved tail, dead eyed pleasure horses. Amazon. Just as with any industry, you need to be careful who you deal with. There is no excuse for a horse to ring sour even before he is 3. The amendment would have directed the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) to spend at least $11M of the annual operating budget for its Wild Horse and Burro Program to implement a humane fertility control management program using the proven immunocontraceptive vaccine, PZP. I love reining and someday I want to mostly show reining. a leather strap fastened to the bit of a bridle; a means of restraint: Rein in your anger. The Association was formed in 1966 to encourage the showing of reining horses by providing worthwhile purses for which they can compete, by developing a standard method under which all reining contests can A broke reiner would stop just as hard if you were bridleless and threw your legs forward vs cueing with the reins.I respectfully disagree. Reining is often referred to as "western dressage". Powered by. :P. THANK YOU SERENITY NOW AND HEATHERAQHA!!!!! I have had a nice Bosal custom made for him and he does well in it. Heatheraqha..........I respectfully disagree........resorting to the needle for ANYTHING, means the horse is not up to the task at hand. Maybe when I get to ride Rio.... Anyways the point is, it's not bad riding at all, but like Heather AQHA said, it would look awful in a Pleasure or English class because those horses shouldn't be trained like that. I just went to the AQHA World to watch my sister show and it was hilarious to see how bad some people ride. The American Wild Horse Campaign (AWHC) is the nationâs leading wild horse protection organization, with more than 700,000 supporters and followers nationwide. And should look like 'Poetry in Motion'.- Willey, Two words. 4:Barrel Racing: no - you people that think this sport is naturally cruel are crazy - although I do agree there is no need for a real barrel racer mounted on a real barrel horse to wear spurs. Maybe you should actually know what you are talking about before you say insane things that you have no idea about! Being new to the horse world I am starting to get anxiety already!!!!!!!!! Unless you believe that the Numa Numa kid could actually sing like that. Yes! Work Coach: CEO is to blame for not reining in cruel HR chief . Sunday Oct 28, 2012 at 12:01 AM Oct 28, 2012 at 2:05 PM. no. You need to be careful with who you let on your horse. To develop balance bareback, let your legs hang down naturallyâdonât grip with your calves or clamp with your knees. Hey, I really love what this site is trying to do. Yes it is very hard on there joints. Isn't spinning fast part of the point in doing good?? FY21 Spending Deal Misses Mark in Reining in Cruel & Costly Wild Horse Roundups WASHINGTON (December 21, 2020) The American Wild Horse Campaign (AWHC) expressed disappointment today over the just-released Fiscal Year 2021 appropriations omnibus, which failed to include an important, bipartisan wild horse protection amendment passed by the House of Representatives this summer. At the lower CPRHA shows which is part of NRHA, ALL bits are checked after each class. I was kind of curious about reining- I started as a dressage rider back in the day, and reining seemed like it might be interesting in a similar way, until I watched a bunch of stuff on YouTube.It was like watching some of the recent high level dressage, with the rollkur crap. Reining is a judged event designed to show the athletic ability of a ranch type horse within the confines of a show arena. The leading horses and riders of the school also periodically tour and perform worldwide. Currently, 71% of the BLMâs budget is spent on roundup, removal, and warehousing wild horses while less than 1% on safe and humane fertility control vaccines to curb population growth on the range. Iâd venture to say every reining trainer Ive ever met uses tie downs, training forks, and gets ⦠He left here a nice, quiet animal that my teen age daughter had ridden and shown and he came home a frustrated, sore and very wary horse with the worst excuse for a shoeing job I had ever seen. The blood is thudding in your ears and the stands are packed under the bright lights of the arena as you prepare to take center stage. I'm replying to a really old post! (She only did 4 spins each way, which is how many you do in a show.) Okay this is a follow up comment on some things I didn't say. I love nice controlled spins, dynamic slides and lead changes that seem to come about because someone stroked the horse with a thought. Big guys like the ones I have seen on the little 2-year-olds have no business on those horses even for light work. I like my reining, I will stick with it and drop other disciplines if needed, but I'm getting sick of seeing 2 and 3 year old horses that have obviously been drugged.I hate seeing horses bleed in the warm up pen from spurs and bits. A Trainer. But he is 5 yo now and next year, to compete him in breed shows, I need to be in a curb/shanked bit. She is on pasture board to due stocking up and getting stiff. What I do not understand is why the acts of just a few people, can ruin everyone else's view of reining horses. It's not quite a shock absorber and then again it kinda is. Refining breaks crude oil down into its various components, which are then selectively reconfigured into new products. But everyone I know (including me) will definitely be pushing for them. She rode almost exclusively bareback as a kid, then switched to a saddle to pursue goals in competitive reining as an adult. My other horse who I ride daily, was pushed hard as a youngster is now is stiff and is always stocked up. Drugs are never encouraged. I was appalled that trainers would openly admit they cheated, and did so to a client they were trying to sign up.When the youtube videos come from NRHA events, as well as specific breed show events, then they do reflect the reality of reining. There are bad people and things about reining, but there are also good things and people, too. Define reining. It seems so sexist in the way they are talked about and used up then tossed away, I was reading the FHOTD blog today and they were discussing the sale of 3 older broodmares. You check in at the beginning and you can't leave and are constantly watched.Like I said I have never seen evidence of drugs. Prohibition on Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment The second provision of the DTA prohibits persons in the custody or control of the U.S. government, regardless of their nationality or physical location, from being subjected to âcruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.â5 The DTA specifies that this restriction is All posts copyrighted to author and cannot be reproduced without express written permission. So that's why you have to be careful and know if your horse becomes sore or lame. I love reining but, there are lots of terrible trainers out there that screw up good horses. I know people in other events do it though. The front of the jacket is dark gray and the back is black. He doesn't have the best stifles, are vet said he could have been born that way or when he was younger ridden too much. Just as there are in jumping, dressage, western pleasure, reining, big lick, racing, big lick, etc. This blog has, People suspended under the Anti-Soring Act, ApHC suspension list (not updated monthly), Tennesse Walking Horse Breeders' and Exhibitors Association. If you put your feet forward they stop.. So she thought the guy was joking, but he yelled at her when she was done riding. I love a good “bridled” horse. It's not okay, it's a disgrace.Tracy Meisenbachwww.trinityapp.comhttp://thehorsediary.net/ (updated 6-5-2008). There are also tons of bad trainers but there are a few good ones too. All work is done at the lope, or the gallop. He yields to leg pressure with just a touch, but he was spurred so that he had sub dermal edemas all down his ribs.I had no idea that reining trainers DON'T know how to use seat and upper leg cues. We'd all agree that proper discipline of a horse is OK, while maltreatment is not. I don't believe that drugging, tail blocking and abuse happens as regularly as you seem to imply. Any illegal bits or spur marks and your DQ'ed and suspended plus probably worse punishment if it's a repeat.At the World Shows I have been to, each bit is checked before and right after the class. Reining maneuvers originated from moves that a cow horse would use in performing its duties, and have been refined to todayâs specialized level of competition. When we stop, we stick our feet out and tuck our body back, sitting deep in the saddle. Serenity now wrote:>I don't believe that drugging, tail blocking and abuse happens as regularly as you seem to imply. It's not really natural for a horse to slide long distances and do all that stuff. You’re not supposed to make you stopping cue that obvious in those classes. How? You should always make sure you have good posture; it will help you to become a better rider. When something is out of controlâbe it a government's spending or your toddler's tantrumâyou might feel the need to talk about reining that out-of-control thing inâor would that be reigning it in?. Any good horse trainer these days isn't cruel when they break a horse into saddle. I really suggest getting a trainer.Source: Is Reining Hard on Horses. Rio is a really nice spinner and is just fast naturally. !Carrie GiannandreaDances with HorsesFormula One Farms. Last fall I shopped around for a reining trainer for my junior stallion. I was told to plan on hock injections and pain killers being used. Putting your leg in front of the girth actually makes your foot a pivot point and can lift you out of the seat.>>2) Injecting hocks with drugs like Adequan (hyaluronic acid) isn't illegal or "bad." It's only yours and the person you hired. Not anti show, anti abuse and anti poor horsemanship.Pro education and fair treatment of horses.The horse before the ribbon. and tuffy horse i am really curious if you have ever actually ridden a REAL reining horse, and i know you havnt because if you have, you would know that you have to put your feet forward to brace for impact and if you try to keep the "horsemanship" stance you would most likely go straight over the horses head. I've also never seen a reiner with a blocked tail. These include a ban on the killing and slaughter of federally-protected wild horses and burros and language to defund USDA horse meat inspections, which effectively prevents horse slaughter plants from operating in the U.S. âAs we head into 2021, we are grateful that Congress continues to affirm the value of wild horses and burros and the need to protect them and all American horses from slaughter,â said Suzanne Roy, Executive Director of AWHC. Sadly I don't think the CPRHA shows have them yet. Theyâre herd animals who in nature, associate with other members of their large groups, graze in meadows, travel great distances, play, and engage in courtship behavior. Reining requires a very athletic horse and it is hard on a horses hocks so you need to make sure you are careful with your horses health and check the hocks and stuff regularly. Any comments or recommendations on the Kimberwick before I purchase it?He is soft and responsive on a snaffle or bosal. âWe also look forward to working with the new House Appropriations Chair Rosa DeLauro to build on this groundwork in the Fiscal Year 2022 to achieve meaningful progress toward humane management of Americaâs wild herds.â. Reining . Injecting steroids as a routine maintenance practice, on the other hand... 3) Nerved tails are indicatives of sloppy/cheating/harsh training, no matter the discipline. AWHC is dedicated to preserving the American wild horse and burros in viable, free-roaming herds for generations to come, as part of our national heritage. Right now I see a sport in turmoil and one I am very glad I did not let my junior stallion get too immersed in. Some people aren't natural riders. The PHF should be renamed the "it's okay to cheat to win" forum. Picture Window theme. Injuries and Deaths. I am curious as to how folks feel about the plain, low port Kimberwick bit. Sure, it would look horrendous in an eq or pleasure class, but it has its purpose in reining. Have fun at local shows..saves heartache and fuel!Carrie GiannandreaDances with HorsesFormula One Farms. If you treat your horse right and are careful with him then its a really fun sport that you and your horse can enjoy doing. That's what reining is all about. Just as I don't believe that videos on YouTube present a realistic picture. Because speed is a factor in many rodeo events, the risk of accidents is high. Then again, I do spend many weeks each year at reinings, I speak to reiners across North America almost daily about the GOOD things in the sport. By the end of the annual Calgary Stampede in Alberta, Canada, several animals are usually dead. Just because you saw a video on youtube doesnt mean you know SHIT. Boy was that an eye opening expeirence. But which is which? In my experience, reining has been more cruel and vicious, however. ©2020 American Wild Horse Campaign. We have been told to block my pleasure horse's tail because he holds it crooked, but I would NEVER ever do that to my horses. I agree that young horses (3, 4, 5 year olds for sure) shouldn't be *needing* the drug, but it's a joint lubricant, not something that is covering up pain or inflammation. Here’s a funny story with the spin police at AQHA World. It can be a very good technique when done correctly with the proper bit. I had no idea that there wass anyone in the world that thought using a martigale with a curb bit was OK. All rights reserved. In addition to advocating for the protection and preservation of Americaâs wild herds. These animals are forced to walk the same path, nose-to-tail, every day for the purposes of pleasing those on their backs. I didn't want people to not want to try reining because it seems as if everything is corrupt. I agree that young horses (3, 4, 5 year olds for sure) shouldn't be *needing* the drug, but it's a joint lubricant, not something that is covering up pain or inflammation. Credit: Cappy Jackson Photography. I have had two finished reiners. Reining horses know that when you take the pressure off they are supposed to stop.Tuffy, people sit back when they ask for a stop. The program has gained attention from federal lawmakers as a more humane and cost-effective approach than the outdated practice of cruel and costly roundups and removals. In a perfect world, horses would be free to pursue their own lives and humans wouldnât make demands of them. We use Adequan and sometimes get legal hock(or stifle) injections done by our vet. Everything You Need to Know About Reining First is I didn't agree with the drug comment. 17 April 2020 . Which is helping get rid of bad trainers and stuff in the show industry. It helps the horse stop and keeps your body in the saddle. Breaking is an old term anyway, but it's just the term used to describe a training process most of the time. Biting a horse up when done correctly is not cruel. Huh? I for one actually own one and have ridden some other very nice reining horses. Don't participate in them either. There are problems in eventing â serious problems. Petroleum refineries change crude oil into petroleum products for use as fuels for transportation, heating, paving roads, and generating electricity and as feedstocks for making chemicals.. This blog is about all the shameful things that happen in the equine show industry. I have a horse that still freaks out in the show arena from when he had a bad trainer when he was 2 and 3 years old. Yes! Reining is a western riding competition for horses where the riders guide the horses through a precise pattern of circles, spins, and stops. Q: Our company's human-resources manager is an autocratic bully. Reining. Just as I don't believe that videos on YouTube present a realistic picture. He is slowly healing and when he does, he will be a really awesome horse. "Inside Reining" is an RFD TV show. HeatherAQHA said... Just a couple of random points from me here...>>1) The leg way out in front thing is both a cue to stop and a way to absorb the impact of being pitched forward. There are a lot who believe in horsemanship and a partnership with the animal. Just totally depressing. With no guarantee of funding for the lifetime care of wild horses and burros removed from public lands, the BLMâs plan will increase the risk of mass slaughter of these American icons, something that 80 percent of Americans oppose. We are working on the "one handed" thing, he takes his cues from my leg and seat mostly. They have no place in reining (especially with the backups involved), pleasure, trail, jumping, gaited breeds, etc.I agree, but NRHA and NCHA have no intent to check for and disqualify blocked tails. If it's bad to do to a horse we're going to bitch about it here. When you have ridden a running reiner to a stop and actually went to a reining show, then you can comment on the whole feet out thing. I'm not talking about "maintainance drugs". What's Cruel? With large fast circles, flying lead changes, 360 degree spins and sliding stops within their performances, Reining is one of the most exciting, thrilling and breathtaking equestrian sports to witness. Young horses should not need them is right. Haha. They aren't drugged, they haven't been started at two. I was told point blank by several that if my horse came to their barn is tail would be blocked. We're running out of true all-around horses, probably because they require work and thought and you can't start them when they're 18 months old if you want to have them for a while. No abuse goes on in reining or cutting. I want to have this horse when he is 20, if he even gets semi-finished by 10 yo, I will be happy!It takes making a dramatic statement to these organizations before they will listen. My retired reiner used to do those things. The vets are now recognizing that reining horses have one of the highest incidents of breaking down next to race horses; and sadly the same fate. This horse will run and slide in just a bosal, but he was worked in a curb with a running martingale.