An other of your arguments that is very logical to me is the "dominion war galaxy was very empty and that is usually only the case if there is a hard limit which prevents one from carrying more weapons" what ever that hard limit may be whether it is power supply/ structural limitations or what ever, that argument basically tells us there is a limit to which the galaxy can easily be upgraded already reached there. I think much of this is untrue. At the end of Voyager, in the timeline created by Admiral Janeway, does the 7-year-old USS Voyager get turn into a museum like the 23-year old ship did in her timeline? Iirc the galaxy has something like 3 times the volume of the sovereign; the equipment in those 1/3 filled galaxy class ships would have filled a sovereign class to the brim. These variants are the two Galaxy-Uprated versions and Galaxy-Incomplete – each making changes to the spaceframe because of unforeseen threats. In Nemisis, Janeway says the E-E is the "closest ship. That doesn't mean they're bad designs and that the old one was better. A Galaxy-Class should be able to be refitted to even match the Sovereign weapons wise. That comment indeed helped me a lot. So, add a few more tubes to the Galaxy and use the extra room of the class to upgrade the shields and phasers and the Galaxy would have more than an edge. Post I think the main inherent advantages of the sovereign class frame are its superior warp capabilities (unless you change out the nacelles of the galaxy and alter its hull form, at which point it's only a galaxy in name) and less need for refitting since it started out from a higher technological level. If you want to post a thread which is not a theory, analysis, or open-ended discussion prompt, you must contact the Senior Staff first to get permission. In trek, we've seen that ships can be easily updated, but that size is the most important variable; the Galaxy is 2.5x the size of the Sovereign; which means more room for, well, everything. While not strictly military (according to the designers Eaves and Sternbach, they were not "escort" vessels, more like "sports car heavy cruiser"), and usually used for diplomacy and exploration, Sovereign still packs a punch, more than Galaxy-class vessels, due to how many torpedo launchers they have. And everything that could be researched just anywhere and permanently on the ship could also just as well be researched planetside at home. All that volume seems to allow for a great deal of versatility. What exactly make you think that? And just where was this fleet gathering? It’s faster, has better defensive capabilities, and all the latest computer and sensor equipment (although these could be retrofitted to a Galaxy as well). The size difference really shows; in volume the Galaxy is 2.5x bigger than the Sovereign. I do not believe the evidence supports that the Sovereign Class had the same mission as the Galaxy. The extra volume in the Galaxy-class is meaningless as it's way larger than functionally useful. [–]cyberloki[S] 9 points10 points11 points 4 months ago (1 child). So my guess would be Galaxy = larger Sickbay complex and larger medical crew so it can support more people at the same time. The hammer might be a perfectly good and useful hammer, but it's not a saw. nominate and vote on quality contributions. [–]cyberloki[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago (3 children). (c) On ground combat support: The Galaxy has more room for troops and larger room for aircraft & shuttles. The difference is that one was projecting power merely by showing up and saying hello and only sometimes firing its guns in anger, and the other was projecting power almost exclusively by firing its guns in anger. While there may be advantages to soldiers having their loved ones with them on campaign (the Sacred Band of Thebes was built on this principle), there are drawbacks as well as losing a battle then becomes all the more devastating as Darius discovered when he lost to Philip's son Alexander at the Battle of Issus and had his wife, mother, and daughters captured. You don't ever love a woman quite like that again. Without onscreen explanations, we don't know much about why the Excelsior or Miranda classes lasted so long. First, the premise of the question assumes technological parity; both ships have equal technology. The Sovereign Project attempted to push the envelope as far as possible when it came to computer power, shielding, armament and systems capabilities. (self.DaystromInstitute). This isn't a result of design, but policy. Thank you. Apr 4, 2014 - Galaxy, Sovereign, and Odyssey-class size comparisons. So i see a small difference in the mission profile in between both ships here. Re: Sovereign class vs Galaxy class vs D'Deridex class Post by Mike DiCenso » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:14 pm That I think depends on if we are talking an early model Galaxy-class starship, or one of the kick-ass Dominion War Galaxy class. It’s just a fundamentally different ship mission focus compared to the Galaxy-Class, an Explorer who had to be upgraded for combat in the Dominion War. But if that is true and the Geometry influences warpflight then it is also possible that subspace acts like some kind of medium similar like water or air which provides resistence against the movement. After Generations, ILM painted "1701-E" on the Enterprise model because it was possible that the replacement Enterprise would basically be the same ship much like the 1701-A at the end of The Voyage Home. Since a ship will fly somewhere and do research there but you will always need just a certain amount of lab space. Going by definition, capital ships are the "head" (caput/capitalis) of the navy. The Caretaker and the Ocampa. That doesn't happen in wartime unless serious limitations are found; usually what happens is that more weapons and other systems (plus the crew to man them) are crammed on a ship. My guess is they manipulate the powerflow through the nacelles and by that change the warpfield geometry rendering a moving part (and structural weakness) obsolete. by Kor_Dahar_Master » Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:23 pm, Post The sovereign might also be more efficient in general and have a stronger internal structure (but this is not confirmed and a Galaxy's structure can be upgraded as well, though it will be expensive). So was the Galaxy-class, no matter how much people try to deny it. We see the Romulans and Klingons deploy ships in the similar size class as the Galaxy, so plenty of reason to believe that other factions saw a similar rationale. These ranks are not meant for role-playing. The Galaxys ability to separate leaving behind two crippled ships for example. Old girlfriends we'll never meet again. During the Dominion War, some Galaxy-class starships were refit to carry a compliment of 140 quantum torpedoes in addition to their standard 450 photon torpedoes. [–]van_buskirkCrewman 10 points11 points12 points 4 months ago (10 children). But think of other points too like personal responsibilities, how comfortable would you live on the ship, would it be more a burden or a blessing to be allowed to take civilians (like your wife and children) with you, what missions would the ship usually be used for, how long would the Missions probably be (Galaxy with its civilian and also bigger crew could probably stay out for far longer while being still psychologically healthy), do you really want to be stationed on the tactically more capable ship which is maybe more likely to be send into battle or dangerous areas or on the other hand go with a ship which is less likely to go to battle but also missing the small edge that would maybe ensure your survival, which is more comfortable to live on, which promises to be able to be refitted more and longer to the state of the art? This is largely driven by the producers to have a "new" ship for every series or movie. i see, may i ask what you think about the Odyssey-Class as Enterprise F? A capital ship is by definition a multi-purpose ship. Venture , as well as the destroyed U.S.S. Is there a task force? Most large ships in Star Trek are ridiculously huge relative to the size of their crew. I didn't know that., but then it makes sense and i have to agree. It's the ship where he had to confront his own potential for darkness and the ship where the events that led to the loss of Data occurred. But even Defiant would have been sufficient for a lot of those missions (especially those that involved a bit of saber rattling). The E-E gets more torpedo tubes between Insurrection and Nemesis. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: The Daystrom Research Institute is a subreddit dedicated to in-depth discussion of Star Trek. I've never heard of this place. What is canon is that we see ships upgraded all the time from the NX to the Sovereign. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 31544 on r2-app-0fe192bbb2f678525 at 2021-03-17 16:29:00.456372+00:00 running f115b20 country code: US. [–]AboriakTheFickle 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago (0 children). It appears the Sovereign-class Starship design was returning to a more traditional, Excelsior-like design of a starship. The Sovereign is a result of the Borg and Dominon War and as such is a warship first much like the Defiant. ↳   Other analysis, crossovers, and debates, http://www.stexcalibur.com/forum/index. Ships of the class include the namesake U.S.S. However, following the USS Enterprise-D's encounter with the Borg later that year, Starfleet began to augment the design with Borg defence in mind. And that is also why i see the Galaxy-Class being refitted and used for that exact purpose. As much as they talk about science and exploration, they're usually visiting a science or exploration team. Although smaller than Galaxy-class starships, this class of vessel is still a very versatile exploration vessel and is considered to be one of the most advanced class of ships in the Federation. That was my thought too. Odyssey , and U.S.S. A capital ship is by definition a multi-purpose ship. The Sovereign and the Galaxy are both continuations of the design lineage that includes the Ambassador, Excelsior, and Constitution. I’m Insurrection, Picard said “Can anyone remember when we used to be explorers?” He also looked back fondly on the Enterprise D in his dream with Data in “Remembrance”, not the Enterprise E, because the earlier ship was where his passion for exploration coincided with the mission. On the other hand a Sovereign has more then three times the forward firepower of a Galaxy as well as superior shields and armor. If you put battleship grade weapons on a ship, it's a warship no matter how many other amenities you put on board. Do not subscribe to this subreddit if you are avoiding spoilers. In terms of deck layout, the upper sections of the Sovereign-class starship formed the command section and living areas, while the lower decks housed main engineering and fuel supplies. So far, everything I've seen looks promising. Please use the search function or the Previous Discussions archive to see if a topic you want to discuss has been posted recently. Secondly, how do we know the Galaxy Class was not sent on deep space missions of exploration, in Voyager the Admiral Hayes claims that Starfleet is sending two "deep space" ships towards Voyager's position; what class would this be? [–]techman007 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago* (2 children). Faster and better suited for that kind of Mission. Descriptive titles are important because this is a text-only subreddit. [–]Seawolf321Crewman 1 point2 points3 points 4 months ago (5 children). The Sovereign-Class wasn’t a bad ship, but it was a warship, built for a more dangerous and less optimistic time. No. It's wasn't really meant to reflect any actual changes to the ship and was more of a retcon.
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